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Who has really tried to work with them to reduce the load of ocean plastics, but at some point, the numbers become compelling. just one other issue. — numbers become compelling. just one other issue, because _ numbers become compelling. just one other issue, because it's _ numbers become compelling. just one other issue, because it's always - numbers become compelling. just one other issue, because it's always a - other issue, because it's always a complex thing when we talk about cutting emissions and cutting including things like plastic, but let's say for instance that consumers then shif...

Great our strategy sounds and think tanks and state department and pentagon offices in washington, we can't control other countries on the other side of the world using military force. these are very complex, old and very different countries. and every time we try, we seem to make things worse. not just for those countries but also for ourselves. we lost thousands of lives and billions and billions of dollars in afghanistan only for it to go right back to 2001 as if the whole thing had never happened. and at some point we have to restore humility to our own sense of what we can do in the world...

But he wanted to know who sent the hitman. >> bakari, i want to read you something that the naacp president, derek johnson, that i saw on his twitter feed today. he wrote, "if it were black people storming the capitol on january 6th, the walls would have been dripping in blood. not only was it an attempted coup on our democracy, it was white supremacy in plain sight. we need answers and we demand justice. this is not a partisan issue." it is -- well, what's your reaction to that? >> it's not a partisan issue. and that's the point. i mean, i think you've seen it around the country when you have...

For for brian sicknick on the one hand and then the very powerful statement where he talked about being called the n word. and he said to me last night, "i'm going to say the full word. i want people to hear what i heard and what it was like." and finally, i think that his final statement when the chairman said what do you want from this and he talked about how if there's a hitman and he gets arrested and sent to jail but he wanted to know who sent the hitman. >> bakari, i want to read you something that the naacp president, derrick johnson, that i saw on his twitter feed today. he wrote, "if ...

Be. >> what was clear in this hearing was how profoundly disturbing this was for yovanovitch. a these-year career coming to a crashing halt after she had been asked to extend her tenure in kiev. to be yanked out of her post by a 1:00 a.m. phone call and told to get on the next plane home shelf used those words, shocked, appalled, devastated. then when she read the transcript of the call when the president said she would go through some things. she said the color the drained from her face and she had a physical reaction. so no doubt she thinks there is a chilling effect of the. >> thank you ver...