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I think we all agree what bob just said, and it echoed what we said earlier. how in a campaign does something like that happen? how do you have a meeting and say, let's trot clhelsea out as an attack dog. >> and a fully scripted attack. like she's reading off a script. >> how does that happen? >> that's one of the great questions ever. strange, strange things happen in campaigns. and that's one of the worst. >> this? >> yes, it makes zero sense. exactly what bob said. >> here's the next logical question. the clinton who you would expect to be an attack dog, bill clinton, hillary hitting bernie...

Minority. i think if trump were to have any choice, which i don't, but the big thing he would have to do is to try to figure out the electoral math. and that means he has to look at florida, he has to look at ohio. there are a lot of states that are in play, normally, that i think wouldn't be in play. >> i think he has to have somebody the average voter would be comfortable, stepping into the presidency. because he's likely going to continue his talk show host role. >> let me ask you this. the question begs, if somebody like a john kasich is asked by donald trump to be the running mate, they'l...

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Far. amazing. >> all right, we'll move to the next topic, which is to say you're now hillary clinton advisers, and however it plays out in the next couple of weeks, let's say sanders wins both iowa and new hampshire, so you're in the clinton sweep the night of the new hampshire primary, the results come in, you've lost two in a row, what do you do at that point, hypothetically? >> you've got to be gracious about him. you've got to play to your strengths. you've got to get to south carolina. you've got to make sure that you get the latino vote and the union vote turned out in vegas and reno and...

Clintons. and i don't think it helps her to run as the clintons, because it begins to draw all this return fire, it tells a new generation that's unacquainted with it about some of the stuff from the '90s, which i thought we had all put behind us. so i think it's a smart idea to use him and you would use him. >> behind the scenes. >> well, behind the scenes or with very heavy party audiences, raising money, doing that kind of thing. because i think if she wins the nomination, and she's the overwhelming favorite to do so, i think if she wins the nomination, the person she needs to be her bill c...