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Normally, we see political pain applied to one side or the other. you can figure out where the end of the tunnel is, anyway and how fast you get to that light simply depends on the political conditions around you. as the senator was just pointing out, everyone is so dug in here. senator keen, that's my question to you. senator kaine, that's my question to you. at what point you are a state that has federal workers. the impact in virginia is very significant. at some point, does somebody have to stand up and be the bigger person here. if the president's not going to give in, at some point do de...

Century technology not old solution. >> you backed that up by data and the president wants his wall. you have seen republicans in the senate and colleagues start to peel away from him saying this is ridiculous, making the same case you make the people are not getting paid because the president won't move on his wall. how do we work our way out of this? how do the people get paid? >> the solution is simple, already out there. if you want physical barriers, you can complete the fence act, a handful of miles, replace existing fencing. you have 650 miles of fencing created for the secure fencing a...

By the way, as i have said all along, donald trump said that mexico was going to pay for the wall. so unless he gets a check for lopez, i don't see why democrats have any reason to have a conversation with him. >> so shermichael, what happened to mexico paying for the wall? he said something about his new agreement replacing nafta, they will pay for it by and by. i mean i grew up in brownsville, brooklyn. we used to buy clothes on lay-away but i never heard of building a wall on lay-away and you have to pay all of the money up front until the lay-away plan kicks in. >> well, look, reverend sha...

The quote, wall or barrier looks like, and it's applicability depending on where you are locating it. the president actually has been clear that he needs some sort of border security barrier to support the folks down here trying to protect our border, and this is something that we have seen. look, chuck schumer voted for the fence act. >> yeah, that's different. >> rick, this is totally different. that's the point. when nancy pelosi says no wall, she's being literal. she means no wall. all lawmakers say they are willi willing to invest money on border security, and how can the government be sh...

>> it makes a difference, congressman. to the president it makes a big difference. to me it sounds like you are saying look to history, look to the secure fence act. 700 miles of fence. let's do that, mr. president. is that right? >> what i'm saying is that rather than making this a political argument, i want to make it about the american people. we have got 'oh it w-- it was r we had 72,000 overdose deaths that were fentanyl related. 80% of fentanyl is coming across our southern border. we are arresting tenter errorists or suspected terrorists per day trying to get into the country. not all o...