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With him in new york knows he has been a crook. he does not really know how to do business. daddy was giving him lots of money. daddy was constantly covering for him. daddy was constantly bailing him out, and he was able to build up reputation that said one thing but the reality was totally different. now we're in washington, d.c. nancy pelosi, chuck schumer, many of the democrats, they understand the institution of congress, but we're seeing now they understand the institution of the presidency much better than the president. >> so carrie, if he doesn't get 100% of what he's asking for, $5.6 ...

I'm steve kornacki in for chris matthews. president trump and congressional democrats are no closer to a deal to reopen the government as that partial shutdown barreled today into its 14th day, emerging from a nearly two-hour meeting from inside the white house this morning, minority leader chuck schumer called the talks contentious. president trump called them productive. democrats saying president trump admitting that he told them he is ready to keep the government shut down as long as it takes to get money for a wall. >> we told the president we needed the government open. he resisted. in f...

The wall. >> so you don't need congressional approval to build the wall? >> no, absolutely. we can call a national emergency because of the security of our country, absolutely. no, we can do it. i haven't done it. i may do it. i may do it. but we could call a national emergency and build it very quickly. it's another way of doing it. but if we can do it through a negotiated process, we're giving that a shot. >> so is that a threat hanging over the democrats? >> i never threaten anybody. but i am allowed to do that, yes. >> second question -- >> it's called a national emergency. >> for her part...

Relationships with other people. he's never built strong teams around him. he's never known how to push something threw by building relationships with other people. i think that informs his entire relationship with the gop, regardless of his relationship with democrats. and what he is focused on here right now isn't the policy. he doesn't have a clear sense of what kind of policy he wants on the southern border, or what kind of policy he wants on immigration. he is focused on the wall because he is concerned about his representation, which is an entirely different can of worms. and what he is ...

Base would still say it's a victory. how scared of that, how intimidated by the base is he? i guess that's the question i would ask then. does he have to go back to them or could he cut some other kind of a deal here? >> that's what i was saying. when he floats the accessibility of declaring a national emergency. i do want to push back on this being a racist trope. this president has seen historic low unemployment among african americans. >> stop, stop, stop. >> also historic wins -- >> okay, i'm trying to keep this on the wall. let me go back to you. let me ask you this question this way. mit...