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The citizens are not intimidated by the outside. but that grand jury system does seem to be the element here that is under attack, even governor cuomo is saying he's going to start to address changes to the grand jury system. that is a very serious issue. >> but look, you don't have to disagree with the conclusions of the grand jury to find what happened with eric garner extremely troubling. you don't have to say that the officer has to go and face a trial to say that his behavior raises some very serious questions about the way in which the police go about some of their work. this is a very d...

There is no dispute that michael brown went into that police car, attacked darren wilson, it was a struggle for the gun. >> we do know that and with for ensive evidence. i think what joe scar borrow was saying, standing up to his network and saying, look, police officers do have a difficult job. they go out every day and put their lives on the line. i've been very critical on the police in the case of the garner incident, but let's not bash the police universally. >> i respect the rule of law. i think there's an argument to be had that you can't look at the ferguson case or the eric gardner ca...

Howard, how dow break this one down? >> it is a stark difference when you look at the range of people. glenn beck to al- sharpton and watching the videotape of eric garner choked to death are outraged and critizing the police and expressing increddousness that there was no indictment. and the ferguson case is very, very different. you had dispouted evidence and no question that michael brown had gone in the police car and wrestled with darren wilson. you don't have the usual racial and idea logical divisions in the media. >> howard, the folks who tend to be more liberal on other network are ca...

Police presence here. one of the things that's angered this crowd particularly is the secrecy of that grand injury process. and they were hopeful that all of that evidence, the same way it was released in the ferguson case would be released in the garner case. instid what they got today was this minimal trickle of information that really shared none of the relevant witness testimony, particularly from those police officers that they wanted to hear. >> the people there, mainly african-american? are they a diverse crowd? can you tell? >> it's a very diverse crowd. and it also represents a lot of...

Prosecutor to make sure that there's enough evidence to charge this defendant with this crime into a jury that evaluated all the evidence in the case and decided if guilt beyond a reasonable doubt could be proven. that's not the function of the grand jury, and the prosecutor punted by doing that. >> not knowing exactly what was in front of that grand jury, you're guessing that that's what happened. >> of course. >> on the federal investigation, there is a higher bar that they have to get across. and you think they can get across the higher legal standard in the case. >> well, i wouldn't call i...