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Somebody. so, as joe said, proactively, they are thought going to get involved. they are just going to react to what's happening out there right now. they are going to say i will do the bear minimum of what i have to do. i'm going to answer my jobs. we wilmake an arrest when we hae to make an arrest. don't ask me to go above and beyond. i'm not putting my career and reputation on the line for this. steve: we have a chart that shows the number of arrests in new york city over the last six years. as you can see back in 2013 it was close to 400,000 in the last year we have got 2018 it's at about ...

>> martha: unbelievable, john demers, thank you. fascinating story. thank you very much. coming up next, the ferguson effect is said to make police officers take a more cautious route on the streets of our cities. for fear that doing their job could lead them to losing their job. and after the firing of officer daniel penta leo, new statistics from the nypd suggesting that this is already happening. >> there is a saying within the police department that has been bantered around for some time that says the job is dead. in reality the job has been dying. and today, the job is dead. ♪

Unemployment claims, we have the lowest unemployment claims, you will know all the statistics but that's the narrative the media wants to go after the president on. it goes upside down for 15 seconds, they're going to blame the president. we are the hottest economy in the world because of the tax cuts and the deregulation environment his administration has done. >> martha: we took up a lot of time with that first interview, next time you come, we're going to talk about a potential senate race for you in new hampshire. coming up next. >> he can no longer effectively serve as a new york city pol...

Words, "i can't breathe," became a national rallying cry. mary bill de blasio praising the decision. listen to him. >> we watched an objective decision affirmed by the first deputy commissioner and affirmed by the police commissioner. justice has been done. >> lisa: but the police union is not happy at all with this. >> it's absolutely essential that the world know that the new york city police department's rotary lists end. the leadership has abandon ship and left our police officers on the streets. alone. >> lisa: richard, we've even seen progressive democrats like rahm emanuel say that the ...

Guys i end up bernie and mr. whitaker worked with, the ferguson effect is really year real. here's how it manifests in the streets. in the past, when you have the backing of leadership that backs the police department -- i'm not talking about bragging malfeasance. i'm a libertarian at heart, not tech but out of order policing. when they know that the back of the political leaders, they will engage if they see shady suspicious behavior pay they may ask the subject to leave a car, maybe a pat down if they have information. you may find a gun, maybe stop a homicide paired with happening now a lot...