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That's just kind of -- we knew they did -- you know, the report by ambassador pickering and admiral mullen, we know what happened. look, about the irs -- democrats control the house. you would be jumping up and down. at the end of the day, you've got to let this thing play out. i'd be shocked and surprised if the white house had anything to do with it. i think that to be fair, that the democrats, i would be screaming for the democrats to pursue this. and i think the public is kind of yeah, their attitude is let it play out a little bit more. it's going to be like a pistol. it's a low grade fev...

Is over, they get a get out of jail free card. up to now, it's been if you don't stick with this hard right edge thing, we're going to primary you. if you don't stick with it -- you saw it when jerry falwell took control of the republican party. you saw it when newt gingrich first came in. the fever breaks. >> nord kwist -- >> right. but instead of signing a pledge with norquist, they should level the playing field. and mark my words, this is going to happen. mark my words, when this is all over, we both understand politics, all those house and senate members, they're going to start saying hey...

Interview with readit, the website, that he would support the possibility of a constitutional amendment to overturn the citizens united decision. i think what he's really aiming there, he mentioned in our interview as well, he sees this as sort of a movement issue. a way of reclaiming the brand he had in 2008, the sort of change washington brand. he thinks there's a lot of dissatisfaction in the country. it's something you can actually take on the road and sort of build a steady long-term campaign over. >> ezra, we -- sorry. sorry, michael. ezra, we had a conversation earlier in the show with ...

How do we breakthrough this and make progress in this country? >> are they saying anything they think they knee to say to get elected absolutely. i certainly hope that mitt romney does not believe half the things that come out of his mouth. however, i also believe that were he to be elected, he would not back away from that. you know, ultraconservatives already suspect mitt romney of not being conservative enough. so i don't think that being in office would moderate him at all. i think he would feel pressure to prove to arch conservatives, that he is their guy, not a republican in name only. h...