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The ambassador? >> certainly the things he said in the phone call with zelensky and his pulling her out of ukraine early were dreadful things. she did a terrific job in difficult circumstances and there was no basis to any of the claims against her. >> have you heard any legitimate explanation so far about why the president, for that matter rudy giuliani, would want the ambassador out of ukraine? >> well, we don't know for sure. but there seems to be a fair amount of at least circumstantial evidence that they wanted full-blown cooperation of the embassy to pursue this unfounded investigation i...

Amount of at least circumstantial evidence that they wanted full-blown cooperation of the embassy to pursue this unfounded investigation into former vice president biden. >> and the figure leaf that they have been using, the idea that they -- the president and giuliani are really concerned about corruption in ukraine, i keep coming back to the notion that if president trump and giuliani were really concerned about corruption in ukraine, the president would not be using rudy giuliani as his point man kind of skulking about talking to these ukrainian officials. i would assume that the president ...

Out the political consequences. put their fingers in the wind and see which it's blowing determination what to do. instead of determining the right thing. they are called not just lerpgts but oversight people who loo look at the president and keep him accountable. i don't think any can excuse one and just do the other. they have to do both. >> so let me ask you congressman dent, sis lynn inny the president sfroukted justice. anyone else would be indicted ar prosecuted. 900 former department prosecutors agree with him. but you have people leadership nancy pelosi who are saying that the presiden...

Loser for the president. >> $6 billion seized from the pentagon, an awful lot from the mil-con budget and a good question, any time we had base realignment and closure process, you could see members of congress, including myself, scramble, that would be a big political loser. john podhoretz, for donald trump, this is a no-lose situation. he gets to sign the funding bill to keep the government open and this is a figure leaf he can hold up so his talk radio handlers won't be attacking him over the next couple days, even though he knows and he's been told it will be overturned in the courts, he c...

Pelosi's office is involved in these conversations, although everyone will say it's the conference committee. this is something immigration activists have been very concerned about all the way along, and frankly the enforcement policies of the trump administration have almost concerned those advocates more than the border wall. the border wall is sort of a figure leaf in a lot of ways and has become this kind of emotional symbol, but this kind of policy, and there a couple other things that would go with it, this is something that's very emotional and very important and they feel like the trum...