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So, as you know, there is interplay. sometimes it goes one way or the other. who is finding information first? this now convicted felony crime, bob, started with donald trump's effort to control and subvert media information to a tabloid that ultimately was exposed by journalists and was investigated both by the feds and now new york. your thoughts on that, and is it important we continue to have investigative journalists who are looking through a party lens but who are creating the information reservoir that the system can assess? >> but that journalism needs to not be partisan. it needs to b...

In the back room yesterday. >> journalism has an interplay with law enforcement. the police, the prosecutors, the fbi if it's federal, they can't surveil and track everything so, as you know, there is an interplay and sometimes it goes one way or the other and who is finding information first. this, now convicted felony crime, bob, started with donald trump's effort to control and subvert media information through a tabloid that ultimately was exposed by journalists and then investigated both by the feds and now new york. your thoughts on that and is it important we continue to have independen...

I am so fed up with debate, meet debate. me it's not really about debate. if it was about finding information, as you, said you've already written about vaccines and autism. >> you've spoken written about covid vaccines. hundreds of times since the start of the pandemic. people can hear your views and evidence to bring to this. they're not actually interested in evidence. it saddens me. you are a man who basically has saved lives abroad with the vaccines you've developed. whereas art k has contributed to a culture of vaccine misinformation that is led to death, as you say, of hundreds of thous...

If it was about finding information, as you, said you've already written about vaccines and autism. >> you've spoken written about covid vaccines. hundreds of times since the start of the pandemic. people can hear your views and evidence to bring to this. they're not actually interested in evidence. it saddens me. you are a man who basically has saved lives abroad with the vaccines you've developed. whereas rfk has contributed to a culture of vaccine misinformation that is led to death, as you say, of hundreds of thousands of lives. yet he's the one being celebrated by people like musk and jac...

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