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They are expected on wednesday so we will know tomorrow how they are responding to this. we can speak now to stephen kelly, the chief executive of manufacturing ni. he represents manufacturing businesses in northern ireland. thank you very much for talking to us. what are the members of your organisation manufacturing, saying to you about how it's working now? we are several months into this experience of applying the protocol after the transition period from the european union — how are they finding it, how is it changing things? finding it, how is it changing thins? �* , finding it, how ...

One says — quite a different way — because if one says anyone who gets involved in a group _ one says anyone who gets involved in a group starts to become less discriminating, then we can blame poor decisions on group process and group _ poor decisions on group process and group psychology rather than individuals. and i think one of the takeaways — individuals. and i think one of the takeaways from this morning was that no individuals are being blamed, instead _ no individuals are being blamed, instead it's group psychology being blamed _ instead it's group psychology being blamed. what ...

But that's very vague. we really need to see actual change. but while mps have called the government's early response to the virus one of the worst public health failures, they've praised the vaccination programme as one of the best initiatives. paul lutrell, who has cancer, got covid—19, despite being vaccinated. but his doctors told him the jab actually saved his life. after surviving the cancer scare, and still having it, knowing that my life is maybe shorter, getting covid was sort of the icing on the cake, really. you know, to survive that, and the staff, the nurses... because i had had...

Trouble they may have been having. do they seem like any other couple? anything you can do to shed light on that conversation? >> no, unfortunately not. we didn't know about any incident where police were brought or anything like that. she didn't tell me anything about that. i wish i had more information. finding it as you are finding it. >> there were no red flags that we knew of. >> shannon: they look happy in these videos. looks like a great adventure that they were on. this band that's back in florida with brian and his parents, we are not looking for that because we know where it is. have...

You go where the evidence takes you. we have clothing being disposed of. bloody clothing, dna on the faucet mixed with blood. finding it on that sink would indicate -- >> bill: motive and opportunity. how do you gauge both of those? >> when you have a couple in a contentious family court battle which they were. obviously the husband had motive. he had opportunity. so you are always going to look at him first. the fact remains, though, did he do it himself? if he did it at all? how strong is his alibi evidence? that's another thing. my phone could be here, guys, but i could be someplace else. i...