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Has no exit strategy. at some point -- and we've seen donald trump do this in the past -- he will declare victory in some way, but he's got to do it in such a way that he can save face. but there's two things that were reckless -- >> but there won't be a wall. >> there won't be a wall. >> and the shutdowns are never popular, so he's not going to run the first years-long popular shutdown. >> yeah, no, but he's the guy who could have the pile of you know what in the driveway and say there's a pony buried in there. >> right. >> this is donald trump. but two things i think were reckless about what...

The president can, in fact, do this. earlier on this network long time republican commentator charlie sykes raised the alarm precisely about this. >> this idea that he might invoke a national emergency powers, this should be a fire bell in the night in terms of constitutional division of power. >> as for the democrats while they continue to insist the president will get no money for the wall, house speaker nancy pelosi seemed to hint at least on movement on some of her party's demands. >> did you make a dollar figure for what the president wants or what you all want from him? >> how do you def...

National emergency to build the wall got everybody's attention late today. tonight our nbc news colleague julia ainsley reports that according to two sources trump administration lawyers are already meeting to figure out if the president can, in fact, do this. earlier on this network long time republican commentator charlie sikes raised the alarm precisely about this. >> this idea that he might invoke a national emergency powers, this should be a fire bell in the night in terms of constitutional division of power. >> as for the democrats while they continue to insist the president will get no ...

Approval? and second -- >> yes, i have. we can call a national emergency because of the security of our country, absolutely. no, we can do it. >> that last part, declaring a national emergency to build the wall got everybody's attention late today. tonight our nbc news colleague julia ainsley reports that according to two sources trump administration lawyers are already meeting to figure out if the president can, in fact, do this. earlier on this network long time republican commentator charlie sikes raised the alarm precisely about this. >> this idea that he might invoke a national emergency ...

Administration lawyers are already meeting to figure out if the president can, in fact, do this. earlier on this network longtime commentator charlie psychs raised the alarm precisely about this. >> this idea that he might invoke a national emergency power, this should be a fire bell in the night nerms of constitutional division of power. >> as for the democrats, while they continue to insist the president will get no money for the wall, house speaker nancy pelosi seemed to hint at least of movement on some of her party's demand. >> how do you define progress in a meeting when you have a bette...