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Do our cameras being here do they give potential to move this forward in a bad way? you know -- >> tom, i've thought myself that the presence of the guard acts as a magnet of sorts. okay. so now there's no curfew but they'll still be here presumably until governor hogan says they no longer need to be. how do you read that? >> it's a difficult choice, michael. you have -- if you don't have the guard here and they're looting businesses endangering lives, pelting police officers and firefighters with rocks, cutting fire hoses, that's a tremendous threat to national -- well national security local...

With members of the law enforcement community but cops handled it. tell me what you saw and what it means now for where we are going forward. >> i think the difference was that monday night the police said we can only do one or the other, protect property or protect people. we don't have enough officers on the street to do both. and so the property was looted and some set on fire and fire trucks took a bombardment and fire hoses cut. all day yesterday there were many thousand additional police arrived and national guard soldiers arrived and they were in the background ready to back up the poli...

Night. and, you know i think the big difference between monday night and last night is monday night you had the police on the street that basically became spectators as people started looting and setting buildings on fire and throwing rocks and bottles. and throwing rocks and bottles at firefighters cutting fire hoses. but they didn't have any backup. they didn't have anything behind them so they took no action. last night, you know all day yesterday you saw more police rolling in. and you saw the military come. the national guard came in with full military armored cars they're out there on th...

We have kids -- >> that's acting like a thug and if they were black, if they were white, if they were yellow or green, when you're throwing bricks and rocks at police officers that are trying to respond and protect innocent people and property that's thuggish behavior. when you have people that are cutting the fire hoses of fire trucks trying to stop the burning of communities, that's thuggish behavior. >> so we do use different words for black people versus white people. we do. i just talked to you about all of the college students who have been rioting and never once has the media called tho...

Affect on the people having their community leaders out there, and it was not lost on some of the people that caused the trouble monday night when all day yesterday you saw vehicles rolling in here military vehicles and not just cops looking like the military but the military. monday night the police were spectators as the buildings were looted and burned and police officers were injured and that the fire department were injured, and their fire hoses cut right there on cnn, and i think if the community leaders can't get the job did not, then the police are there and the police this time have b...