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Procedure. there has to be some trouble and concerns about the dossier and after it was discredited and what went on after that. >> there's absolutely a problem here with process and procedure. the fbi's is part of the department of justice. and you can't have an agent whose spouse works for an agency that is producing information from a source and then passing it back to the fbi. why should doj be doing the exact same thing? you've got to have people who are unbiased and no connections here. this would be a problem in the fbi and frankly a fireable offense. >> all right. so, all right. kim, t...

Integrity of the fbi. whether what he did was a fireable offense or not, that's something we're going to have to figure out and who ordered it. i mean -- >> you say it undermines the integrity of the fbi. does it undermine the mueller investigation? because that's what -- president trump likes to argue that strzok's actions led to the mueller investigation. he's often forgetting that firing comey, which is what he did, led to the mueller investigation. >> it does not undermine the integrity of the mueller investigation. here's why. when bob mueller got the first whiff that agent strzok was inv...

Impact of this entire investigation on the personnel moves and the personnel of the fbi. >> you make great concerns. joining me jeff campbell, a former fbi special agent. listening in, do you think the fbi caved? do you think the texts were fireable offense? >> two parts. let's start with the second. was this a fireable offense? in a sense it was. what it takes to be removed, there is two aspects, performance and conduct. nobody is saying strzok was a bad fbi agent throughout his career. i know he had a reputation he was someone who was an excellent investigator. and then there is misconduct, ...

I think it's a problem in our politics generally, chuck. i think both sides now believe that the rules only apply to the other side. >> and they love being a victim. >> right. >> sarah sanders yesterday was more concerned about people saw her as a victim rather than talking -- saying what's my leader -- what leadership role can i play here. >> sure. and i mean you also see controversies hiring in media. there's the sense that, oh, well what's good for the other side and fireable offense for the other side is not necessarily a fireable offense if it's someone who shares my politics, right? >> y...

Does he, governor? mike: he never has. when there are people being paid by the taxpayer who have that level of contempt for the people who pay their salaries. these people are talking about their bosses. in any place i have ever worked in my life it's a fireable offense. we need to know who these people are and they need to be given their notice and sent out the door. nobody should be getting money from taxpayers who have that level of contempt from the citizens who pay their salaries. >> i would like to see the ax fall on a bunch of these people. but you can never find the identities much the...