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Count the votes. >> we get all the ballots? >> the votes are not binding on the delegates sent to the national convention. but that has not stopped them from being coveted in the presidential sweepstakes. it is that quirky system that in the past has allowed candidates way down in the polls to become frontrunners and even presidents. and it could easily happen again, says joe trip py, the veteran of six presidential campaigns. >> iowa can make or break you and that's -- that's the fate. and organization and a good message, but a lot of it is luck. >> and undecided republicans, guard their stat...

They still respect teachers and the polls show that. the unions don't use their heads. the unions should agree to get rid of the seniority rule, first in, last out. >> he's going after tenure. >> we should get rid of tenure. >> use it right. >> right. the head of the teachers union in my city says tenure has to stop being a default position. there should be real tests. >> i like that. can we have tenure on "morning joe"? >> if we start structuring our cities that is benefits kids. we have to treat teachers that there's not commodities. we have to benefit and incentivize and support teachers. >...

Paid more money, not less. you go to parents night, you ask the teacher, can you please tell me why 28-year-old harold ford teaching social studies to my son or daughter is going out the door because of budget cut to be replaced by 26-year-old mr. deutsch. what's the deal there? first in, last out. >> so, mike, this is -- this whole issue about how to do layoffs is unfortunately a distraction from the fact that there are huge budget cuts in schools. as you and i both know and i've been on your show a lot and talked about it, the real key here is we have to change the evaluation system for teac...

Themselves and have built it up in the media world. this is still unfortunately, mika, as your books describe, a man centric media world that played by your own rules and won the way she did. sold her startup for 315 million. >> it's incredible. we'll have her on the show soon, right? aren't we, chris? >> joining us from the white house, secretary of education, arne duncan. and also at the white house, msnbc political correspondent and host of the daily rundown, chuck todd. >> let's start with the idea of first in, last out. it looks like governors are starting to move on that old plan. and we...

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