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>> let's look at what the union said about this. here's the spokesperson. they say seniority rules will force them to lay off some of the best younger, newer teachers and force them to retain some of the worst old veteran teachers. they say seniority rules will force them to lay off more teachers than struggling schools in minority neighborhoods. these are false arguments designed to pit teachers against teachers, schools against schools and communities against communities. who would you say to that? >> in california they just reached a settlement over last in, first out that was brought by th...

Teachers union. why? >> i did it because my district was due to lose four times as many teachers as other districts in the city and as a representative of a community that was going to get hit hard, i did what a representative should do and fight for my constituents. >> so last in, first out is a common term in the teaching world which means the teachers that have seniority are not the ones that are going to go when, in fact, you have to make cuts. it's the new teachers. >> right. it means basically you have every teacher in the city on a list. figure out how many teachers you have to cut and ...

15,000 teachers. we still have to put a quality teacher in front of every student in our school system. we educate over a million kids and 80,000 teachers we have and 2,000 buildings. we have to go and find some ways to get some money elsewhere. we will certainly have to have some reduction in the size of the teacher work force and, sadly, currently, the laws in new york say last in, first out. if that were the case, we would have to part company with some teachers who are absolutely great and keep some teachers would aren't. the bottom line is no rational organization would could do it that w...

Tenure and sidney morris cindy founder of the group and you are 25 and sitting around the teachers lounge and saying to each other, we will be the ones who get fired and we are doing a better job than the dead wood out there, right. >> the idea for educators for excellence grew out of frustrations we were feeling as classroom teachers and felt like we weren't evaluated in a meaningful way and getting the supports we need to improve, and weren't being acknowledged or rewarded for a tough job and most importantly felt like we didn't have a voice within the system. as a teacher you are given so m...

>> if we were to have to lay off based on last in, first out, you would not be able to keep the good ones or those who are better than the others. and, you would then start a cat kay -- cascading effect through the time. martha: that has been happening for a long time, that was new york city's mayor, mike bloomberg, speaking out against first hired, first fired mantra, maintained by many teachers unions across the country and budget cuts could force layoffs in the big apple and it will be significant in the coming months, and we'll see it across the country as well. several governors proposed ...