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Leak? >> yes. >> you know, again, i don't know. >> those are the facts. that fisa application was not reported before the election, correct. >> okay, yes. i guess you're right. i don't know. >> so if they wanted to take down donald trump, wouldn't someone leak that? >> no, i don't think that's necessarily true at all. their point wasn't to create a fisa application and leak it. their point was to survey private citizens associated with the trump campaign. i think the exact opposited. they would not want it to be leaked. they wouldn't want people to know, law enforcement to know they had done t...

Page and some were corroborated. >> the line there is some were corroborated. if only some parts were corroborated no matter what else was put into the fisa application, that would mean other parts were not corroborated. isn't it fair to say that is a problem? >> no. this fisa application was to begin an investigation. it was not to present a closing argument to a jury. the only way you can get more evidence and start to corroborate what was in that dossier is to launch the initial investigation. i think they are confusing what was being done and what part of the time line we were in this inve...

Identified specific crimes. the public knew what was being investigated. do we -- based on your last answer we don't know what is being investigated. based on your last answer it is a moving target. is it collusion, obstruction, what is it? >> the original issue was the issue of russia attempts to influence the election. look, that's what we've got here with carter page. i saw the president yesterday say we caught them spying on my campaign. well, with all due respect to the president that's not accurate. the fisa application is in october of 2016 to go wiretap carter page. a month earlier car...

With how the investigation goes on. i want to comment on representative trey gowdy's words. the russia investigation is going to continue. nothing is going to impede it. i don't suspect that robert mueller is going to be removed. i think it would be a colossal error for the president and i think he's comfortable with letting things sort themselves out. i argue that the democratic memo should have come out at the same time as the republican one. i thought it was bad form. i thought it was a huge, huge -- it's basically a self-inflicted wound there. however, i think the country is basically in m...

Dossier was to the fisa warrant so we can clear this up? >> i would. having been in the room, i would absolutely support it, just so the american people -- i would go a step further, which is this all -- part of the problem with the process here is that conclusions and allegations have been drawn based on the fisa warrant applications. this is some of the most classified stuff the government has. i would even support, if it could be redacted in such a way so as not to be damaging, i would support releasing the underlying fisa applications. americans would say dozens and dozens and dozens of pa...