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Fiscal groups, whether it's peter peterson, whether it's the concord coalition, whether it's basic mathematicians. >> here's what they want. they want to wait till the economy is better. because if the economy is growing, you don't have to cut things as much, right? that's what he wants. >> but, listen. but this isn't even the paul krugman argument which is don't cut now. it will hurt the economy. this isn't a keynesian argument. i'm talking about medicare and social security. i'm talking about 20 years from now. >> but the 20-year numbers look a lot better if -- i think what a lot of democrat...

Best interests of senior citizens and people who social security and medicare and medicaid to save those programs, but he hasn't been. why is that? and when is he going to get responsible? >> there are three big pots of money that are related. one is the sequester cuts expiring, kicking in in two months. the next is entitlement reform. and then there's still tax reform where the president's hoping to get more revenue, the additional revenue he didn't get from this round of new revenue. if those three pots can be dealt with together, there can be a legacy thing. the big problem is harry reid be...