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Policy put in place. >> respond to that. let me put my wedding band on my pinky ring. the head rauts -- the fish rots from the head down. that was bhaut scaramucci put the to the either and now i can't say it without laughing. but the truth of it is that leadership and tone begins at the top. you look in his eyes and realize he's no joke. he's also not the president. >> i would just say that the fact that there were four rival power centers and a weak chief of staff who couldn't control who the president talked to and didn't have most of the staff reporting to him wasn't -- didn't just happen....

But let's go back to the core of what a lot of people believe. it doesn't matter how great the people are around you. if the president does not change his own behavior or core values, nothing will change. and i agree, the fish rots from the head, and the head is still donald trump. >> but this white house has brought -- you have rex tillerson over at state department. obviously from the corporate world, highly respected. you have general mattis. you have mack cacmaster. but rex tillerson, it's jared kushner supposedly in charge of middle east peace. it's not sure that rex tillerson has been ab...

Stop because one key thing is missing in the white house. and that is? >> unity. you have all the different factions in the white house who feel em poured to leak against each other. this is a tour cultural problem the white house. it it starts at the top. when you see the president attack members of his cabinet and undermine his own staff, then therer' not going to be loyal to him. there's no such thing as blind loyalty in politics. it's a two-way street. same thing with self-discipline. the president gives off-the-record interviews to reporters all the time when he says more than he should. ...

President. look it up if you want to get closed out. it is too graphic even to put on the screen. >> we both know this expression about the fish rots from the top and it was all, i'm sorry. i remember dukakis pulled the same thing 30, 40 years ago. apparently it is a greco and italian thing. it is clear he means reince priebus as the guy who stinks. this is white house communications director who has come in to clean up the swamp. this is all happening late this afternoon. >> what do you think? >> it wasn't a fair fight. >> it was not a fair fight.

Responsible, and then it came to his attention that the so-called leaked information wasn't leaked. it was publicly available based on disclosure forms that he, himself, had filled out and submitted more than a month ago. and so perhaps, at that point, he decided oh, oops. maybe i should delete that tweet and try to scramble and start with a new story. that's what it looks like to the untrained eye from outside. and it looks like a self-inflicted wound, another one, by the white house senior staff. >> julie: okay, bernard, this morning scaramucci did an interview and basically in some words sa...