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Dukakis said, the fish rots from the head. an old greek expression. whatever it is, i believe the boss sets the tone. i worked in politics for 15 years. when staffers did something, i knew the boss wanted it done, or they wouldn't be there. that's the operative. and i was one, an operative. you are the boss's guy. so when somebody says somebody at the cia did something, my view is, they were told to do it. what's your view? where did the water boording come from and all that stuff, how did it work its way down to the bowels or the dark place -- >> this came directly, chris, from bush and chene...

Looked like amateur hour not just no terms of carelessness, but in the level they were playing politics. >> strickland, mark brings up a great point. these you been disciplined character assassinations -- you have these disciplined character assassinations. if christie runs for president, that would never fly. you understand what it means to run a state. are you surprised at the sort of lackadaisical incompetence we're seeing in the management of these scandals? >> alex, they say the fish rots from the head. and i think any staff takes on the characteristics of their

They go into court and do they bring more evidence, more e-mails, more text messages with this that might not tie the governor directly to the mess that they created on the george washington bridge in ft. lee. but at least puts him -- it casts a shadow on his judgment and his leadership. because one member, one republican person said these are the types of people you're hiring. what does that say about you? >> it says you're like them, and they're like you. by the way, the fish rots from the top. that's something dukakis said. the only thing memorable he said when he ran for president. you tak...

There is absolutely some possibility that david wildstein and whoever else pleads the fifth they could be charged and convicted on some sort of crime. we don't know what that is. to me that leads to criminal. if we know the people at the top are saying we might have done something criminal and the governor says i don't know about this, the fish rots from the head. that's the old expression. people from the top are doing something very shady. i tomato know what the governor actually knew but it doesn't look good. >> it doesn't look good if there are potential criminal charges involved and becau...

Oopsy how do these things just keep happening? the scandal never stops which the fish rots from the top. and credit to foxnews.com which broke the story in april which has led to this letter. i should note, of course, that it is a bipartisan group of 24 senators now putting pressure on the agency to explain itself. and this is on top of a number of scandals within just the e.p.a. itself that raised really chilling questions about their lack of any kind of care and duty when it comes to protecting the privacy of american citizens. and in this case as you said it's 80,000 livestock providers, fa...