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They did believing that it was -- the administration was comfortable with it ness you don't think it was rogue people being obnoxious and stepping on people's rights and being awful? you think it's part of a culture? >> who knows but clearly they thought it was okay and it isn't okay. it's not only not okay, it really strikes at everything that americans don't want, a government that turns against them. we will see, but if things keep popping up around the country, this person will go on television and say now that i see what's happening, i understand what happened to me. and they will have a ...

Moment we take the dollar from the federal government they will tell us how to start practicing medicine. i have seen it as a nurse in a hospital in administration i have certainly seen that how we practice medicine by a book and how the diagnoses are related and how you are paid by that. and i don't think that is right. i think truly you know we need to be paying for the very best that we can get. so it to me, yes, it is socialized medicine. people can call it what they want to, nationalized healthcare, but that is what it ness my opinion. >> shannon: on this journey have you had a chance to ...