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Wendell, is it dangerous for democrats to run on fixing obamacare? after all, it's done a tremendous job in helping people, dr. hebert has just pointed out. so why are democrats running on terms of fixing it, rather than running on what's helpful for the people? >> i think they're running on fixing it because they've been spooked by all the propaganda that's been in all the ads. keep in mind that about $400 million has been spent opposing the affordable care act sips it was enacted, and just a tiny fraction of has been used or spent to support it. so that's why they're doing what they're doing...

Minimum wage going to be at the center of discussion. so you're a governor. what would you bring to him? you're the president, what advice would you take? >> well, first of all, elisab h elisabeth, you're using leader. we don't have a leader in this country. everything we're doing in this country is just not going properly. there's no deals being made. there's nothing happening. obamacare is a mess and nobody's fixing it. nobody knows how to fix it. so we don't have a leader. so when you say, you know, would you -- you just can't refer to the president as a leader. he is not the leader of this...

This is what 2014 is, things get complicated and things get more political than we thought it was in 2014. this obamacare is a political hot potato. it's going to hurt a lot of the red tape democrats. a lot of them are nervous about this. let's see how the corporate mandate, when it goes into effect works out in october, right around election time and let's see what kind of willingness the republicans have to either fix it or not. >> i'm cynical, chris. i don't think fixing it -- >> no. >> don't smile so much. >> but i don't think it matters whether republicans come up with solutions. i think ...

Your thoughts? >> i'm not sure he did it either. he did give an apology. i guess i would disagree with howard a little bit in that i think he's always said that there's room to improve this law and that it's not a perfect law. the problem that he and the democratic party face is that republicans will not participate in improving it, upgrading it, fixing it. they've only been about repealing it. so i think he left the door open. but he's always had that door open if things need to be fiked. and i think he's really -- what you really heard, i thought, in his voice was no good deed goes unpunishe...

A very broad promise that if you liked what you had, you can keep it. there'd be nothing changed. i think he's got to deal with that directly. not sure he's done that yet. your thoughts? >> i'm not sure he did it either. he did give an apology. i guess i would disagree with howard a little bit in that i think he's always said that there's room to improve this law and that it's not a perfect law. the problem that he and the democratic party face is that republicans will not participate in improving it, upgrading it, fixing it. they've only been about repealing it. so i think he left the door op...