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In 2000 and 2001. and it is really striking to see hundreds and hundreds of white south carolinians going to these rallies, in support of the flag in that period of time, all holding the battle flag. and you realize the breadth and depth of the support for the flag. when you compare that to now, it seems like there's been a fairly significant change in the opinion or the number of people that are willing to really make this an issue. >> absolutely. and back in the late 90s and 2000 you had a lot of legislators in that statehouse that supported keeping that flag up, that were ardent supporters ...

And it is really striking to see hundreds and hundreds of white south carolinians going to these rallies, in support of the flag in that period of time, all holding the battle flag. and you realize the breadth and depth of the support for the flag. when you compare that to now, it seems like there's been a fairly significant change in the opinion or the number of people that are willing to really make this an issue. >> absolutely. and back in the late 90s and 2000, you had a lot of legislators in that statehouse that supported keeping that flag up, that were ardent supporters of the confederac...

Hundreds and hundreds of white south carolinians going to these rallies, in support of the flag in that period of time, all holding the battle flag. and you realize the breadth and depth of the support for the flag. when you compare that to now, it seems like there's been a fairly significant change in the opinion or the number of people that are willing to really make this an issue. >> absolutely. and back in the late 90s and 2000, you had a lot of legislators in that statehouse that supported keeping that flag up, that were ardent supporters of the confederacy, like glen mcconnell, who's now...

Some video of a man inside that chocolate cafe reported by local media as the hostage taker. you can see he's wearing a black vest with a white shirt in addition to a bandanna with writing on it. police identified the gunman. he's known to them. they refuse to release his name at this point and cite security concerns as the reason. there are a lot of things to put together here in terms of the big picture. i do want to point out he was forcing the hostages to stand in the window and put their hands against the window and faces against the window for 30 minutes a time. one of them for two hours...

Connections to this guy. they don't want to release his name because they want to understand whether this guy is part of a bigger terror network. if this is just the first of a second or third incident that's going to play out today, tomorrow, in the near future and get to the bottom of that before they start releasing this guy's identity. >> we're following breaking news out of sidney, australia, that could have implications around the world. we're looking at potentially ten hostages being held in the lindt cafe in the haeart of sidney surrounding by four major banks, parliament building and ...