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So so this came to a sad end. tell us what the past 16 hours have been like. >> i spent the day at martin place just before the cafe. it was early calm despite the situation. people were gathered around almost like watching a spectacle rather than treating it as a hostage crisis. i spoke to a few residents who were evacuated due to the situation and i got the sense that this is just something australians aren't programmed to respond to. they're removed from terrorist attacks and so it was very surreal for a lot of throughout the day, even when we saw some of these hostages being released peopl...

Grenades. they also seem to have night vision goggles on so perhaps the fact that the cafe has been in darkness all this time, they've been managing to plan their attack much more carefully and without the gunman knowing quite so much and they seem to have really stunned him at this point. >> well, that's right. there have been police squads here today that i've never seen before in my time as a reporter. we haven't been able to report on their presence a lot but -- and that's -- the police have asked us not to because they didn't want the man in the cafe to know what was going on. but they we...

Am standing. quick fire, loud nices and a police car has just driven past me. there's a lot of movement happening here. we are seeing that more hostages have come out of the building and as soon as we got those reports the next thing we heard were very, very loud bangs coming from the direction of the lindt cafe. just behind she where this is unfolding. where we are seeing more hostages coming out of the cafe and hearing these loud bangs. >> what do the loud bangs sound like to you, kathy? >> of course we can't confirm where what they are from where i am standing but it sounds like quick gunfi...

How do the police deal with that situation to make sure that there is no loss of life that can be possibly avoided? >> well, they're trying their best not to lose any hostages' lives, clearly, toure. but it's a very difficult situation for them because the hostage taker has the power over the people he's holding. he has the power to kill them. that's basically all the power he has. he's trying to grab other power like, you know, news media, get out his word or through the internet. his real power and the power that's in the seesaw with the police is the power over the lives of the people prese...

Become mrs. and more tired especially since there's only one individual, as it appears to us. so time and making sure that every hostage can come out safely, those are very important things and controlling what the hostage taker receives in terms of other information, obviously there are some tactics that can be used? >> just going back to the social media aspect of this. efrlier there were four videos posted on youtube, one of them depicted -- one of the hostages actually communicating demands to authorities. but those youtube videos were quickly taken offline. this guy had a facebook page. i...