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Gender gap that's been very strong in favor of the president. i think we'll continue to see it to grow. >> thanks for joining us tonight. >> good to see you. >> rachel, back to you. >> thank you, lawrence. there's been a snap poll in terms of results from tonight's debate. cbs news did a flash poll of uncommitted voters on who they think won tonight's debate. 19% of those voters said the debate was a tie. 31% say that paul ryan won. 50% say that vice president biden won. we're going to be joined in a moment -- we've talked to a couple of people who are functioning as surrogates for the obama c...

What's the headline coming out of tonight's debate? >> i think from the point of view of the democratic base, the abortion issue that martha asked in the context of religion was a crucial thing. i think the obama people were rightly pleased with that emphasis as they reach out to undecided, middle class women in states like ohio and pennsylvania and florida and so forth. so that was important for them. benghazi, i think, will not loom as large because, chris, as you know, any poll of the american people at this point says that what they care about, above all, overwhelmingly, almost to the excl...

But the question is, how do you win a debate if you don't fight it. >> i think you do have to fight it. i think the president, from my vantage point and again, i didn't see it on tv, i saw the barack obama that i've seen over the last four years is somebody that's been consistent about the policies. consistent in the way he describes his health care stuff. consistent in what he said he believes that romney's positions don't add up. and he did call him, maybe too generally, on the question of the deductions and that stuff. for my part i don't think mitt romney has earned the ability to be as va...

Should be fired. that he didn't do. but step one for romney was becoming a credible alternative and i think he did that. >> thank you, chuck. , you were talking about how this looked very much to you like george w. bush and john kerry. is it inevitable? is there a way a president cannot do this? can you mortgage president obama in ap second debate behaving differently? >> i think david pluff is steady and they understand. what david was previewing, i think, is the line of attack you'll see in the second debate. i think it's almost unthinkable to think the president is going to come into the se...

He's not the flashiest politician in the world. he's had his nose to the grindstone for four years. >> all of the sudden romney looked like a flash where politician tonight. >> anyway, thank you michael, and lovely weather out here, until about an hour ago. howard fineman, thank you and the great michael steele. coming up, did romney get a game-change moment? he came prepared and scored major points pushing the moderator aside in coming the debate and the instant polls play that out. he's getting good numbers. this is msnbc's live coverage of the first presidential debate. >> as president i'...