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Republican president? >> yes. that is what i think it was. absolutely. i think that is what it was. and it was not always. it was just -- it was the same thing that we were just talking about, about this sort of flat view of who the first lady is. it wasn't just about me but about other women and maybe part of that was a bias against women or a way to put women in a special category or to be seen as the little women who are home baking the cookies like the british tabloid said. >> chris: yes, mumsy. a column in nuce week this week, not necessarily always the most probush magazine in which he l...

Republican president? >> yes. that is what i think it was. absolutely. i think that is what it was. and it was not always. it was just -- it was the same thing that we were just talking about, about this sort of flat view of who the first lady is. it wasn't just about me but about other women and maybe part of that was a bias against women or a way to put women in a special category or to be seen as the little women who are home baking the cookies like the british tabloid said. >> chris: yes, mumsy. a column in nuce week this week, not necessarily always the most probush magazine in which he l...