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Now, whether the thunderstorm was responsible for whether there were other problems with the flight control system tubes icing up we don't know that yet. but clearly the plane came down it's clearly in a lot of pieces therefore the impact on the water would have been horrific. i don't believe that a water landing was attempted. i don't think that the pilot had control of it. and it's possible. it's just possible that the vertical stabilizer broke away from the airplane before impact. >> good that we are getting more information and we are seeing more proof of the vessel. heartbreaking to see t...

The problem is -- we found this with flight 447. that training is done in a simulator. not a live aircraft. that can feel very, very different to be in that simulator. no simulator can simulate what it's like. i've felt it and it's not pleasant to be in that cockpit when this sort of thing happens. it's difficult to train the feel of what that feels like to be in this situation. >> what is that just the severity of the feeling of this? >> and you also know psychologically you're in a simulator and your job's on the line sometimes -- >> you're walking away. >> right. but the pressure of the act...

Airbus 8320 is one of the more popular in the skies so how safe is it? >> aviation consultant joins us on the curvy couch to discuss the anatomy of this plane. how safe are these planes in general? >> the only abnormality is the flight control system between that and boeing. this is a dinner type of flight control -- a a different type of flight control system where the pilots are outside of the loop of direct control. boeing keeps you inside of the loop. these aircraft are safe. they have had a long history of operation. 8300 aircraft fly by wire have been running around since 1984. >> by out...

They got quite a bit of time in that area because the area is not cold, it's probably 80 degrees. and in the area. the real concern to me on that would be is because i don't think in a violent thunderstorm that you're going to able to come out -- but you could, i'm not saying you couldn't -- but normally you would be in a rather uncontrollable position so it would be very difficult to land like the a 320 did on the hudson river. the real concern is the violence of those thunderstorms and that line of thunderstorms, updrafts and down drafts, this type thing. we had a very similar experience wit...

They turn and one iteration of this idea. and you just keep going because you're incapacitated. you don't wind up southwest of australia -- >> i disagree. by virtue of him putting in the weight point, potential diversionary airport, he would have hit that diversionary airport at the altitude that they leveled off at and then it would have gone into heading mode and then at some point if we had a deg igation of the pilt system. it might have degraded the flight control system wheres it did start that turn and that's where we don't, you know, we don't know. >> miles, do you see any situation her...