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Emerging, donald trump as flip flopper. some are saying maybe that's not a bad thing. watch. >> some people are accusing donald trump of flip-flopping, but what if he is flopping to the correct position? is not a good thing? >> i want him to flip flop off of some of the positions he was holding. >> of a president changes some positions when he takes office because the reality of governing is different than the reality of campaigning. >> actually think in most cases, the evolution, the shift has been in a positive direction. >> martha: so what does that mean a four trump supporters? joining me ...

And start governing. there are some realities to face. he hasn't changed his core conventions pretty he said he put america first. he dug on sure has. we feel like were threatened, our interests are threatened, he doesn't mind pulling the trigger. he is bringing jobs back, he's building the wall, his doing the things like appointing a supreme court justice who is a constitutionalist. i don't say that is flip-flopping. he is understanding that his job is that of a pragmatist, not an ideologue because he ultimately has to achieve something and get results and that's what he's doing. >> martha: w...

Flopper. some are saying maybe that's not a bad thing. watch. >> some people are accusing donald trump of flip-flopping, but what if he is flopping to the correct position? is not a good thing? >> i want him to flip flop off of some of the positions he was holding. >> of a president changes some positions when he takes office because the reality of governing is different than the reality of campaigning. >> actually think in most cases, the evolution, the shift has been in a positive direction. >> martha: so what does that mean a four trump supporters? joining me now, former presidential candid...

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And start governing. there are some realities to face. he hasn't changed his core conventions pretty he said he put america first. he dug on sure has. we feel like were threatened, our interests are threatened, he doesn't mind pulling the trigger. he is bringing jobs back, he's building the wall, his doing the things like appointing a supreme court justice who is a constitutionalist. i don't say that is flip-flopping. he is understanding that his job is that of a pragmatist, not an ideologue because he ultimately has to achieve something and get results and that's what he's doing. >> martha: w...