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We don't understand the case. so we'll hold on this one until -- >> a person that's had a 12-year very -- a person had a 12-year very close relationship with then mr. trump. i think the threshold standard here of, quote, unquote, flipping is very high. and the last point i want to make is if the president didn't do anything wrong -- and i take the president at his word -- there's nothing to flip over, chris. >> that we don't know, and certainly he's allowed michael cohen to feel very isolated and underfunded for his own defense. those were calculations. we'll see how they come back. >> well, i...

An indictment. >> right. >> so i think once we know what that indictment is, then you and i can sit down and discuss what the potential -- >> much better because right now we're talking about him flipping, and i agree. i get the speculation, especially with all these reports coming out with friends of his who say he might. there aren't any charges. so we'll hold on this one until -- >> a person that's had a 12-year very -- a person had a 12-year very close relationship with then mr. trump. i think the threshold standard here of, quote, unquote, flipping is very high. and the last point i want ...

The 60s for gorsuch last year. republicans ended up killing off the filibuster to get him through. but zerlino, in terms of an outcome, if republicans have the votes on paper and they've got the democrats in those trump state seats who voted for gorsuch, we already saw three of them vote for gorsuch last year, is the best case in your mind for democrats here if they're not going to get republicans to flip over, is the best case that it fires up their base enough to help them in november to somehow flip the senate after that? >> yes, absolutely. and i think that that's the calculation. i think ...

The main gateway for refugees and migrants. >> we are a medium distance from turkey. this is the border. >> reporter: it's a simple matter of proximity. when daylight broke, the captain a fisherman's son scanned the sea. soon we saw many boats. all those these missions are technically for border patrol, the coast guard doesn't turn anyone around. it's illegal to do that on the high seas. instead the captain offers them assistance. >> hey, you are okay? you need something? >> most boats decline the captain's offer. and cruise on towards the greek coast. but soon enough, 080 finds a boat in trou...

And support your candidates. >> i heard that and you're right, he certainly has the money to self-finance a primary campaign. general election campaigns get really expensive. you going to self-finance that, too? absolutely, there will be money from outside groups, adelson and many others will be part of that. trump will probably change the way he rhetorically handles this but will keep maintaining he is independent because he doesn't need anybody else's money. >> do you think also the fact that he's relentless about it, he will go on any venue, he will talk and get his point across even to tho...