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And now he's telling the "new york post," you know, this flipping stuff is terrible. you flip and you lie and you get the -- the prosecutors will tell you 99% of the time they can get people to flip. it's rare that they can't. in this interview, wolf, he praised roger stone, jerome corsi and paul manafort, saying that he believed they were brave people for not flipping and cooperating with the special counsel. though it's still unclear what it is paul manafort told the special counsel and what he lied to them about, according to that court filing from earlier this week. now, wolf, the presiden...

Just told the "new york post" quote if you told the truth, you go to jail. you know this flipping stuff is terrible. you flip and lie and get the prosecutors will tell you 99% of the time they can get people to flip. it's rare that they can't. so he's now making an argument against prosecutions. >> if you haven't done anything wrong and you tell the truth, nothing will happen to you. >> nothing will happen to you. but if you're lying -- >> i'm not so sure. >> i just think all of this is even more important. this whole conversation, which is -- this whole conversation lends to why what the sena...

Comparing it to mccarthyism. tonight president trump saying in a stunning new interview his former campaign chairman paul manafort could receive a presidential pardon. the president late today telling the new york post that the pardon is quote not off the table. saying quote, it was never discussed but i wouldn't take it off the table. why would i take it off the table? it's a shift from just 24 hours earlier when his press secretary was asked about a pardon for manafort. >> i'm not aware of any conversations for anyone's pardon involving this process. >> reporter: in the interview trump raile...

And what giuliani says is that, when they got answers from manafort that they didn't like, when manafort said he didn't know anything about this, he put him back in solitary confinement and kept him there for four days. it's not the prosecutor's decision to keep him there. it was a decision the jail made. but giuliani making it seem like there was an enormous amount of effort being used by the special counsel's office to get manafort to incriminate the president. >> mike schmidt, let me ask you about pardons and read something the president said this afternoon to "the new york post." this is t...