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Are you going to vote for kevin mccarthy in the next ballot. he said he was going to vote for byron donalds and here we are an hour later he is on the floor voting for kevin mccarthy. that is a surprise and another sign that things are shifting in mccarthy's direction. norman was one who had initially been seen as a hard no and became a softer no. he said that even a couple of days ago, i asked him, is there any chance you could vote for kevin mccarthy? he said, he said, no, but miracles happen. that was his words. miracles happen. just a couple of days ago and just an hour ago he said he was ...

>> byron donalds. >> donalds. clyburn. >> jeffries. >> so, at this point congressman byron donalds, republican of florida, has received five votes. we do not know how many members of the house are on the floor voting right now which makes it a little more complicated to declare that congressman mccarthy, kevin mccarthy, the republican leader has already lost because it has to do with the majority of those present. but assuming that it's 434 members as it was for all three votes yesterday, then mccarthy is on point to lose his fourth vote to attempt to be speaker of the house, dana bash. >> it ...

The motion to adjourn requires a vote. majority vote. so that would mean you're going to shut down operations for the house that day. recess means you're sill in ses session but the house is in session even though you're not on the floor voting. >> how much at this point, i mean, is anybody twisting any arms? >> well, you would think they would be out -- there is that little cloak room in the house floor. you would think there are smackdown sessions going on in there non-stop but i'm not sure that's happening right now. >> i think members are talking among themselves about who their alternativ...

>> bret: yeah. jimmy by the way is jim jordan. congressman from ohio. juan, here is byron donaldsson from florida. he did change from mccarthy to jordan on the third ballot. take a listen. i do think kevin has the ability to get there. yeah. there is a lot of work that needs to be done. if you are going to take votes over and over again to wear people down. we should not be on the floor voting. that is my point. >> bret: what do you think, juan. >> speaker point of view speaker mccarthy has fewer votes at the end of the day than he did at the beginning of the day and mcdonald's is part of that...

Times, "a failed speaker call for kevin mccarthy would be a historic event." i want to read an interpret from your opinion piece that you write about what could play out tomorrow. you say, you write, "in the event of a stalemate, mr. mccarthy could face an important strategic question, keep members on the floor voting while he seeks to cut a deal, or invite an even more unpredictable closed-door meeting of his conference. he may find that the best way out is through, by continuing to vote in a test of wills with people who are defying the choice of their conference." so, do you think that's th...