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Our physical ability to do that is challenging because we only have so many different wings and so many different pods and there's just more and more folks that don't get along. >> two members of a local gang known as the zillas are housed together on an eighth floor wing reserved for alleged shot callers or gang leader. quentin carthen and isaiah thomas are lucky to be close-knit cousins. because in this high-security housing unit, they're only allowed out of their cells 30 minutes a day. >> when you're getting 30 minutes and you've got to get in the shower or use the phone, you ain't really ...

We theoretically can keep them separate. our physical ability to do that is challenging because we only have so many different wings and so many different pods and there's just more and more folks that don't get along. >> two members of a local gang known as the zillas are housed together on an eighth floor wing reserved for alleged shot callers or gang leader. quentin carthen and isaiah thomas are lucky to be close-knit cousins. because in this high-security housing unit, they're only allowed out of their cells 30 minutes a day. >> when you're getting 30 minutes and you've got to get in the s...

We have northern mexican gangs that have many subsets that don't get along with each other. we theoretically can keep them separate. our physical ability to do that is challenging because we only have so many different wings and so many different pods and there's just more and more folks that don't get along. >> two members of a local gang known as the zillas are housed together on an eighth floor wing reserved for alleged shot callers or gang leader. quentin carthen and isaiah thomas are lucky to be close-knit cousins. because in this high-security housing unit, they're only allowed out of th...