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Overed in a couple of days. >> jeff, "the washingtonpost" is reporting that the administration is preparing to litigate the flores settlement. they have a better chance in court, they think, then doing anything legislatively. does that make sense to you? >> i mean, certainly legislation appears to be going nowhere. the house of representatives can't even agree on what they want to do. and in any event, anything they want to do is very unlikely to pass the senate. so there doesn't seem to be any legislative solution in the immediate offing. going to court, i mean, this is a settlement, the flor...

The house of representatives can't even agree on what they want to do. and in any event, anything they want to do is very unlikely to pass the senate. so there doesn't seem to be any legislative solution in the immediate offing. going to court, i mean, this is a settlement, the flores case. this was a satisfactory resolution to this problem. and now, you know, what is there to persuade a judge to upset it? just because the president is in political trouble? that's not something a judge will take seriously. >> john, in terms of catch and release, so-called, how bad was the rate of people coming...

Actually talk about the substance, which is that they have no clear plan to reunify the families and that was ultimately the purpose of the visit. they didn't come away with any better answers. >> that's a good point. much more important right now, what this executive order that the president signed yesterday really means, especially for those 2,300 kids who are still separated from their moms and dads. >> one of the things about this executive order is that as a day has passed, it has become more mysterious in its meaning than even the moment it was signed. as you point out, the order says ab...

There's just as much as confusion coming out of this. i was shocked to see they're not going to reunite the kids. i thought that was the whole point. it's disappointing to see the 2,300 separated won' reunited with their parents. >> the flores settlement mandates the kids can only be held for 20 days in detention. if the administration is not able to reverse the flores settlement, which is a court issue, then it seems very possible that even if families are held together, if they can't reverse the flores settlement after 20 days, those kids will have to be separated. >> it does, certainly if -...

Including working with mexico. we also expanded family detention which was, i freely admit controversial. >> you got a lot of heat for it. >> we got a lot of heat for it. there were just 95 beds out of a total for 35,000 equipped to handle families. we expanded that capability. i'll freely admit i made a big deal out of it so people could see what we were doing. it was not capture and release. not catch and release. then we were confronted with this flores case. it was a settlement reached in 1997 to deal with unaccompanied minors. it was an agreement with the government that an unaccompanied ...