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Historically, looking at other countries and seeing what is happening here, maybe we'll get a little bit of a reprieve. i'll tell you quickly, the flu, people talk about the flu, like what are we willing to accept is the answer in terms of when this pandemic ends. those are flu numbers, john. up to 60,000 people die every year, millions of people get sick. hundreds of thousands of hospitalizations. we don't shut down the economy for that, i think it is going to be an uncomfortable conversation, but i think when we start to see numbers like that is when we say, hey, look, we're going to declare...

For. that's what they're calling this twindemic. >> i assume the number one thing people can do is go get their flu shots. what can people do to protect themselves? >> when you talk about flu overall, you get millions of people who get diagnosed with flu in any given year, up to 800,000 hospitalizations and up to 61,000 people dying. much of that can be sort of mitigated by the vaccine, which is around. one thing i want to show you as much as we talk about the vaccine and hesitancy around covid, take a look at flu numbers as well in terms of vaccine uptake. it's 52% overall that people actuall...

A wait a little bit longer for that second shot. that will come up at the fda meeting as well. >> last year's flu numbers were very low, frankly because so many people were staying home and masking. we're hearing warnings. one doctor saying this year could be dangerously different. what are we expecting? >> you know, i don't know for sure, jake. we've been following other countries around the world that have been going through their flu season, like australia, and they still have been moderate sort of seasons, even low seasons. but that could be for all sorts of different reasons. the concern ...

We're indoors. if we're seeing a rise in cases now when it's summer, what does that mean for what's to come in a few months? >> well, we're very concerned because flu will be back along with other winter respiratory viruses. we'll have a lot of respiratory illness. there will be continuing covid spread. we'll be doing a lot of testing trying to sort out who's got the flu and who's got covid. and speaking of the flu, when september, october comes around, please get vaccinated against flu also. >> the flu numbers, if i recall, were down this past winter. do you expect that to happen again or no?...

Love to hear from you on this today. the nhs has been given the green light to roll out a booster vaccine programme this autumn. the extra dose will be given to the over—50s and anyone eligible for a flu jab. flu numbers are expected to be higher than normal this year, meaning extra protection against covid is likely to be needed to prevent too many hospital admisisons. now we are alive to the mansion house where we expect the governor of the bank of england to begin his speech. as the government announces plans to grow investment in the uk. can i underline your recognition of the memory of ...