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Back to the warsaw pact days would provide those to the ukraine. but i think they reconsidered. they did not provide them. the idea was going to be that ukrainian pilots would come to their countries, fly them home. again, i gather that those countries reconsidered when vladimir putin rattled the nuclear saber. this is a very tough situation for the nato countries, for washington, for others. because this pressure is going to build. there's going to be so much barbarity, so much loss. >> martha: what do you think should happen, general? are you arguing that we should put in place a no fly zone...

Citizens. unfortunately, the longer that they are able to hold out, it will take longer, but the damage could be more severe. >> molly mchugh, who i spoke to a few nights ago, former adviser to former president, be cautious vocal -- this is not a war for vladimir -- to lose, it's a war for the ukrainian people when. they may very well be in that position to do just that, considering the motivation that they have behind them, and the unity they have. david, let's take a listen to what boris johnson said, just recently, about instituting a no fly zone, and the implications of it. >> ukrainian wo...

Personal view, the target was not the road, obviously. it was the regional council building where the administration is now sits for the whole region, and it's very, very strategical one. it will not, we believe it will not, the invasion can go further, and you can see it in the map. up until today, every city of ukraine has a ukrainian flag waving with the ukrainian wind. that is a problem for us right now and we called the national society and briefly mentioned by your colleague on the no fly zone over ukraine and we can see that the country is divided in a way. they are divided in a way say...

Appreciate your help. thank - kind of work in ukraine. we always appreciate your help. thank you. l so we know that nato and its allies have ruled out sending ground troops to ukraine. and with russian strikes killing civilians, we've heard growing calls for something else instead — a �*no fly zone' in ukraine. president zelensky has called for this. and this resident of kharkiv spoke to the bbc today. please close the skies of ukraine for russian missiles, for russian aeroplanes, this is the thing that nato can do and please do this, because they just will nato can do and please do this, ...

Armed forces on the battleground when they are fighting russia. that $350 million they have drawn almost all of that down here that is paying for weapons and other security systems right now. now, $10 billion, i agree that is a huge number that actually came out of the senate, chris coons was the first one to recommend it. and that is the price tag right now to keep ukraine fighting russia. i understand it is a lot of money but in terms of american security and world security investing in ukraine right now, this is a sure bet. >> kevin: let me ask you, dr. grant, dr. rebecca grant joining for ...