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Lines have held, but certainly be a reason for him to be fearful there may be more of an international response. remember, consistent threats interest the white house and regional partners here for more sanction, more moves against venezuela for things like this that have occurred. dana. >> just the notion of a leader feeling comfortable because the humanitarian aide that is trying to get in to the country is being stopped is a little bit hard to wrap your mind around. is any of that aide that you can see actually getting through with all the chaos? >> reporter: no. i mean, i can only speak fo...

Recently. there's another multistate e. coli outbreak, and five of the people affected died. is there a rise in terms of issues with the food supply in this country or are we simply hearing more about them? >> i am not sure there's a rise. clearly a food problem is always something that we have to keep an eye on. there was an outbreak in 2017, very similar to the microbe we are seeing right now. years ago this e. coli, this particular pathogen that is involved in the current outbreak was involved with the contaminated meat you might recall. this is something that intermittent l intermittently ...

Food problem in north the week, we don't know if they are defecting but definitely in a dire situation looking for food. sanctions are biting but this has to come down to china and the american people have to be prepared for increase in price of goods. of the trumpet ministration will do the best thing which is sanction chinese banks, we have to use everything on the spectrum before we use military force and i think that is a credible option for this administration. rob: we are in a standoff where they are waiting to get paid off, it is holding the world hostage in the situation and it is disg...

Predictable. and is part of this just conflict theater, a way to gain international attention versus actually wanting to be in the middle of conflict? >> well, i think it's more -- i think that's right, but i also think it's more a direct reflection of the difficulties he's having in running the country. he's still purging and executing high-level officials four years into his time in office, which is not the sign of a good power transition. north korean society is becoming very slowly more and more open. outside information is getting in. and the regime is not able to govern effectively. ther...

Solve the food problem by keeping people stigmatized. >> goldie taylor, nia-malika henderson, thank you both for your time. >> thank you for having us. still ahead, tamron hall is here to talk about her new series. it explores some of the most vicious crimes this country has seen, crimes that have devastated communities. the question now, how can they be stopped from happening again. ♪ ♪ we go, go, we don't have to go solo ♪ ♪ fire, fire, you can take me higher ♪ ♪ take me to the mountains, start a revolution ♪ ♪ hold my hand, we can make, we can make a contribution ♪ ♪ b...