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Counsel for the committee -- after steele found out what he put in these memos, he approached you about taking this information to specifically the fbi. simpson responded, that's my recollection. and sawyer said, that request or idea came from mr. steele and not anyone else? simpson said, that's right. if that testimony is to be believed, the claim that the clinton campaign prompted steele or fusion gps to go to the fbi doesn't necessarily stand up. we also should point out here that despite a lot of misinformation by republican lawmakers, the dossier did not solely spark the investigation at ...

Understand some senators. >> it doesn't bother me for the american people to hear the alleged facts. i don't think it's going to change the trajectory of western civil zags. i also don't know mr. simpson and i don't know mr. steele. they may be perfectly credible. they also may be a couple of whack jobs. i don't know. >> right. >> i'm going to depend on the fbi and the department of justice to sort all of this out. i think eventually they will and once they do, i hope they will make an exception to their normal procedure and actually report the facts that they have found to the american people...

Steele at all and do you think it undercuts any of the narrative that steele's motivations were just political in nature? >> well, i don't know if it's true. i'm not saying it's not. mr. simpson may be telling the truth. he also may be trying to cover his own rearend. i just don't know. he has an opinion here. i don't know -- >> he's testifying under oath here. >> i understand. people have been known to lie under oath around here as well. as we both know. this is just -- >> so are you saying you don't believe him or you just don't know? >> i have no idea of knowing. he may be perfectly credibl...

Among fellow republicans and democrats especially who say they were not consulted before the criminal referral was made about steel. i was trying to ask democrats if they had a response and if they were going to come out with anything that would counter the referral, and nobody knew it was happening. this is a shocking turn of events that even people close to fusion gps or steele were not expecting at all, and they were not expecting the first criminal referral in the russia investigation would be against somebody that had intelligence he gave to the fbi, he handed to john mccain, who then gav...