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Training. we heard about escalation of force training. i think there are real objectives to the protests. yes, people are frustrated and outraged, but i think it's different than occupy wall street protesters because it does seem to be a sort of a laundry list of changes people are seeking. >> mayor de blasio had a press conference today saying precisely he was going to have the entire police force of new york city. when you talk about 40,000 cops retrained for exactly the kind of things that sunny was talking about. obviously, that's not going to change the protest today, but it's just going ...

Counsel those people? maybe i'm not saying it right. >> yeah. >> let me try again. when you do your use of force training within your experience, both law enforcement and as a trainer, does that include training law enforcement officers and whoever wants to be trained as to how to use even verbal force where you use the command voice? >> all of our force training, whether it's law enforcement or for individuals, the idea behind any level of training related to force is to explain the variables involved in deciding how to apply force and what justifies it. if somebody's being verbal, obviously ...