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Rosenstein should lawfully be the next in line, that he hasn't been a senate appointed primary official. so we've got lots of reasons why whitaker is in a precarious position and why mueller is holding some cards. >> yeah. i was going to say i think to the best of my knowledge, at least, we don't know if whitaker has been interviewed or ever questioned by the special counsel at any point during all of this. is there any legal remedy to force whitaker's recusal or removal from his post? if so, who would have to initiate any legal challenge in a situation like this? >> the accountability for the...

Obstruction of the law. we will not be. the new congress will not be. >> and i think -- and that is, i think, the most important question this evening, which is, you cannot force whitaker to recuse. you can't force the president to remove him or announce a new attorney general. what can you do? what are you going to do? >> we can do several things. we have already -- i and the chairman of other relevant committees sent letters to a lot of people in the justice department urging -- demanding preservation of all relevant documents. destruction of those documents -- and serving notice that destru...