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Deca decades. there's nobody who comes out really like a heavy hitter on national security. at this point, the candidates are laying out their agendas. but that's all we have. we don't have a proven track record with any of these. >> okay. you say, though, you seem to be a big fan of carly fiorina, that she performed very well. what foreign policy experience does she have? >> she has none when it comes to foreign policy making. what i appreciate about her is that she delivers a lot of substance and a lot of specifics. she's demonstrated that she's really taken the time already not just to beef...

Decades. there's nobody who comes out really like a heavy hitter on national security. at this point, the candidates are laying out their agendas. but that's all we have. we don't have a proven track record with any of these. >> okay. you say, though, you seem to be a big fan of carly fiorina, that she performed very well. what foreign policy experience does she have? >> she has none when it comes to foreign policy making. what i appreciate about her is that she delivers a lot of substance and a lot of specifics. she's demonstrated that she's really taken the time already not just to beef up o...

It's just a new chess move for the president. he is going to have a herculean sales job ahead of him. leaders of republican foreign policy making to convince them to go along with this. >> do you think you can argue that sometimes it is more courageous for a president or in this case this president to walk back a decision like this? most anticipated a military strike. >> i think it's starting to -- the optics of this are working in his favor. it's just enough time. the problem is you have to build momentum now and it's why secretary kerry was on all of the shows. they'll have to ratchet up the...

Made our policy far more chaotic than it need have been. >> you write that the president's principle aim was to ma not to make strategic strate decisions. did politics rule at the state department? >> i think there was a perception first that we needed to put a lot of troops into afghanistan because of the domestic perception of the military position. the outcome of the iraq war. and in the administration decided to end this campaign precipitously with an eye to domestic politics. and politics dominated whether the administration would take risks, in terms of foreign policy making, would initi...

Situation where the president said we don't have friends or foes or something in between. this is about as tough as foreign policy-making gets. i think it's very hard -- it's easy to criticize the administration. in cases they deserve to be criticized. it's also very tough right now to come up with a consistent strategic alternative. this is tough stuff. k0coming up, we'll talk to john mccain, dr. zbigniew brzezinski, michael bloomberg and david ignatius. up next, "the political playbook." you're watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks. ♪ [ male announcer ] from our nation's networks......