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Looking at in '09 when he surged the troops, it's worse now. we spent a lot of blood and time and lives to get to a situation that's worse. the idea was it would get better and that's how we would tail out and live. it's hard to imagine that that policy isn't a matter of debate. do you feel like not only talking tovote ers, looking at the campaign, in the next 40 days, does it get there? >>. neither campaign wants to talk about it. mitt romney is doing barack obama a bit of a behavior by not engaging him on this thing. romney has difficulties but doesn't have any real experience, himself. paul...

They want it to go away. >> the going forward part of it is the part i'm really hung up on. looking at those surge numbers today, i'm not sure if our graphs totally showed it the way we laid those out. the violence the president was looking at in '09 when he surged the troops, it's worse now. we spent a lot of blood and time and lives to get to a situation that's worse. the idea was it would get better and that's how we would tail out and live. it's hard to imagine that that policy isn't a matter of debate. do you feel like not only talking tovoters, looking at the campaign, in the next 40 day...

That's worse. the idea was it would get better and that's how we would tail out and live. it's hard to imagine that that policy isn't a matter of debate. do you feel like not only talking to voters, looking at the campaign, in the next 40 days, does it get there? >> neither campaign wants to talk about it. mitt romney is doing barack obama a bit of a favor by not engaging him on this thing. romney has difficulties but doesn't have any real experience, himself. paul ryan is a domestic guy. he doesn't do a lot of foreign policy stuff. by not talking about it, it lets obama off the hook a little ...

In the best interests of the united states or the region. he says that we should continue to engage. president obama is doing that. he has isolated iran more. he has made the international coalition to force iran to the bargaining table stronger. it's just wrong, and i'm saddened by it because historically, you know, we did not allow either israel-palestine conflict or foreign policy matters to be the stuff of election one upmanship. mitt romney has changed the way on that. president reagan said, look, whether it comes to foreign policy stuff and the u.s. engagement abroad, we don't do that. w...

To the general public about big issues they care about. i don't think governor romney has pulled off either yet. he's tried on china. he's tried to iran. but i don't think he's pulled either of those off. and that's why the foreign policy stuff has set him back more than given him an advantage. >> andrea? >> well, particularly in china, he tried the populist. it hasn't worked. it hasn't taken. and he's offended so many people. i don't want to define elites, but republicans as well as democrats who care about our relationship with china are very concerned about him saying that he would go again...