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Service. Its how dangerous is this shadow works and what can be done to counteract on to the point we ask rushes hybrid more fear the real threat to the west. The welcome to this week. To the point, im probably gonna guess its good to have you with us, and these are todays guess thats the issue is an expert on russia at germanys cub foundation is ludy goslin, which is a former german and passenger to moscow and was also the Vice President of the German Federal Intelligence Service b and deep from 2004 to 2007 and whom im gonna try and go is my dw colleagues from ukraine, currently working with...

W as Russian Service. And by 12 you thank you very much for being with us today, and id like to start with you. Leslie, how does this hybrid warfare work and why isnt the public really aware that these attacks are constantly happening . Well, its basically the concept of hype and warfare that you dont initially notice that its happening. Hyper suassa can be anything that helps the security or the interest of one country and destroys the wants of another country. And that means this information campaigns in financing, elections, migration flows of us, weve seen invalid ruth and before so all of...

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Secret service. Its how dangerous is this shadow works and what can be done to counteract on to the point we ask rushes hybrid more fear the real threat to the west. The welcome to this weeks to the point. Im probably gonna guess its good to have you with us. And these are todays guess thats the issue is an expert on russia at germanys cub foundation is ludy goslin, which is a former german and passenger to moscow. And was also the Vice President of the German Federal Intelligence Service b and deep from 2004 to 2007 and whom im going to think or is my dw colleague from ukraine. Currently work...

Service. Its how dangerous is this shadow works and what can be done to counteract on to the point we ask rushes hybrid more fear the real threat to the west. The welcome to this week. To the point, im probably gonna guess its good to have you with us, and these are todays guess thats the issue is an expert on russia at germanys cub foundation is ludy goslin, which is a former german and passenger to moscow and was also the Vice President of the German Federal Intelligent Service be indeed from 2004 to 2007 and whom im going try and go as my dw colleague from ukraine. Currently working with dw...