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This is a crucial biome. at this point we have lost 20% of the rain forest, but with really have to use this as a warm-up call. we can't live without systems like this, especially on this scale. paul, we know that deforestation has increased significantly under president bolsonaro. to what extent is he and his policy toss blame for what we're seeing at the moment? could president trump, who seems to have a pretty good relationship with jair bolsonaro use that relationship to change the policies? >> it does seem like he's having a fuj effect. he's saying this seems like a bary for economic deve...

Clear amazon you're not going to be faulted for it. who's going to get blamed for it are the ngos in the area. if you threaten indigenous activists or environmental activists or environmental journalists the government will turn away from that and those people will not be punished for it. so he has created both through formal policies but also informally through creating an air of impunity this idea that the amazon is there to be cleared and used and used in one way only for agriculture and that economic gain as opposed to the economic gain already shown to be valid and large, which is from le...