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That would say they're heavily involved and were sort of the direct link to donald trump's forwarding information to a bank or allen weisselberg or a cfe who was a cfo for decades. they were deeply involved and in contact with the financial institutions. that's where they could get into trouble for filing false information with regard to financial institutions. >> in terms of documents like you mentioned post-it notes, it's surprising to me there's a filing cabinet. we know trump doesn't use a computer or i'm or put his thoughts in a remilkable format that investigators would like to see. but ...

Them in hot water. >> that's interesting because it occurred to me that making the misrepresentations to a bank or insurance company or -- would have itself been a problem in terms of your duty to be honest to those types of institutions when you're trying to get money out of them. out of them but it would also, as you say, undercut any claim they made that they were counting on professional advice in order to come up with these numbers. >> we don't know right now. both could be true. you know, it depends on the evidence that's brought forward. it's one thing for donald trump to sign off on a ...