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Electoral votes. that's what he needs to win the presidency. but the polls are getting a lot tighter, as you know. ironically, one of the obstacles though could end up being the ruby red state of utah and its six electoral votes. it is suddenly a three-way battleground, thanks to evan mcmullin. trump went after the utah native in a fox interview. >> if the incredible people of utah, they're incredible people. i know the people of utah. if they go enough for this character that's running all over the state, and we lose the state of utah, that's devastating. because that means we're probably goi...

There's too many. >> who is against handicapped people? take it back, juan. >> people have said that but let just move on. some people have said that. juan was merely pointing that out and he 'tis agrees completely. there has been a lot of talk about her evading the media for various reasons, one of them being the e-mail scandal here is ed henry on hrc dodging the press. >> the media is collectively allowing hillary clinton's campaign to kick off much differently than what we've seen on the republican side. we were bend off behind those boxes, near the boxes an pallets back there. when reporte...

Class. i saw it today here at this produce facility where she was conducting almost an oprah-style talk show, nodding smiling, asking small business owners questions. meanwhile, we were penned off behind those boxes near the boxes and pallets back there, and when reporters shouted questions about same-sex marriage, the e-mail controversy, she ignored it and walked out. that's different than marco rubio earlier this week doing the fox interview but also nrp, abc, rand paul recently announcing, then doing the interviews with fox and nbc, savannah guthrie that got quite testy, pushing him on vari...

>> i think that's right, i also think that's why this tour of hers is so good for her. she's able to get out there, and answer a lot of these questions, and when she does make a mrs. take, correct it, and probably, you know, two years from now, she does run for president, a lot of this will -- she will have honed all her answers and she'll be a better candidate. i thought her interview tonight, tough questioning, respectful, but she didn't have -- you know, there weren't a lot of forces -- >> see seemed sort of more relaxed than i've seen her in other interviews. or is that just me? >> no, i a...

>> i think that's right, i also think that's why this tour of hers is so good for her. she's able to get out there, and answer a lot of these questions, and when she does make a mistake, correct it, and you know, two years from now, she does run for president, a lot of this will -- she will have honed all her answers and she'll be a better candidate. i actually thought her interview tonight, tough questioning, respectful, but she didn't have -- there weren't a lot of forced or unforced errors. >> she seemed ernest, more relaxed than i've seen her in other interviews. or is that just me? >> no,...