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Really gone down, the supply's gone up. you're seeing a lot more power plants being built with gas instead of coal, so is coal really coming back? >> i think it probably makes coal's decline less steep, more gradual. we have cheap, abundant natural gas and, obviously, less emissions to go along with it, so we're becoming a more efficient economy and a less polluting economy naturally through this market phenomenon which comes from allowing people to search for energy and to frack, etc. but i think the jerry brown comment shows you the turn that federal policy is making from environment alpha g...

Tension over this sort of thing and it's not just drilling. it's shrinking national parks. we saw that in utah to frack and mine and those sorts of things. just recent days there's been a flurry of activity trying to roll back the endangered species act which, you know, limits the extraction of minerals and drilling in certain lands and so it's like -- this president has set up a modern gold rush in alaska. no stranger to gold rushes in the past and been an argument over can we have both? protect and pull out the oil and stuff. >> the difference is -- >> the difference is that unprecedented ra...

Trade deals and now we don't have the allies. >> i have heard you speak in the past why it's a mistake to bring back coal in terms of the economy and environment. should technology be the industry that the administration thinks more about? sfl >> i think the first thing is that the government shouldn't think about who the winners and losers are. coal is going away for two substantive reasons. the one i care about is that coal kills. it's polluting the atmosphere and hurting the climate. but more importantly for reducing coal jobs and output, it's not competitive anymore. today natural gas frac...

I would be comfortable if what we had made sense. for instance, infrastructure to me is pre-partisan. >> neil: so is the president, by the way. >> let's do it. >> neil: we spent $128 billion a year -- >> and a japanese group came to l.a. and took the mayor's side said if you have frack -- infrastructure problem now. if you do it now, it will be cheaper than later. the mayor didn't know what to say. >> neil: we do spends on infrastructure now. >> it may be that we piss a lot of it away. maybe people should be held accountable. one of the thing i hear is this thing about regulations. regulations...

Enthusiasm in states like pennsylvania, ohio, michigan, wisconsin, north carolina, you see where i'm going with this? and the clinton campaign consistently decided, no, we're going to side with the oil industry on these questions and they employed fracking lobbyists as their energy people. people could see this. she did a $650,000 fund raise we are the leading fracking company the day after the platform hearings when we had come to some compromises so what was happening, chris, was not only are we going to side over and over again with the establishment that the democrats created and with the ...