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Strongest card you mean economically, strategically or both. >> economically and strategically. economically, because the united states is now beginning to export up to a million barrels of oil a day, unprecedented because of the revolution in fracking. strategically because energy secretary rick perry was talking about energy dominance. and what he means by that is the united states now exporting all of this energy out there, regarding to establish new relationships with trading partners that we haven't had before. probably reducing the dominance of russia, because formerly all the liquified ...

Some government support. i'd rather it be here than china. >> fareed, i love you, but it's comical to say that the wind industry is -- we've had windmills for a thousand years. come on. >> that's your argument, steve? that's your argument? >> you said windmills and then fossil fuels. >> and, steve, there was an abicus in china 2,000 years ago. it's slightly different than the wind on the street. you're talking about in holland a thousand years ago. i don't know where to begin. >> gloria? >> i'll defer to van and then i'll go. >> here's the thing. first of all, the fracking revolution, which is...

Continental resources. this is one of the people behind america's fracking revolution that's given was so much oil and gas here in the united states. he's now got finally a nonhostile government coming in in washington. he's also godt a world where th op opec countries that aren't going the cut on oil. we might see a u.s. energy firms really start to dominate the world market. >> what does that do to oil prices? do you think that they're going down because of that production or -- and which does that do to saudi arabia? >> this is the big question is, does -- dohar rold hamm and the other frac...

Continental resources. this is one of the people behind america's fracking revolution that's given was so much oil and gas here in the united states. he's now got finally a nonhostile government coming in in washington. he's also godt a world where th op opec countries that aren't going the cut on oil. we might see a u.s. energy firms really start to dominate the world market. >> what does that do to oil prices? do you think that they're going down because of that production or -- and which does that do to saudi arabia? >> this is the big question is, does -- dohar rold hamm and the other frac...

>> you may have as far as his business career, to this point, until the fracking revolution, if you wanted to find new places to drill for oil, you mainly had to go to places controlled by dictators. i don't think it's fair to ask companies to conduct their own foreign policy and basically look at expanding freedom and they have obligations to shareholders so that will come up at the hearings but i don't think that should be disqualified. >> it should be part of the body work? >> right. >> and confirmation hearings ought to be fascinating. i know nobody is going to go easy on anybody. >> that'...