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Very much. please explain that. >> well, you have to put it in context that jihadism is much larger than al qaeda prime today which which is or was bin laden. in fact, some of the franchise groups, bill, like al qaeda in the arabian peninsula has surpassed al qaeda prime or bin laden on the physical, as well as the ideological battlefield. so, in essence, a guy like bin laden is not planning 9/11 attacks anymore. >> bill: okay. but, let's be honest about this. al qaeda, whether it's in yemen or wherever it is on the run. on the run. now we got their symbolic leader, huge psychological victory ...

Very much. please explain that. >> well, you have to put it in context that jihadism is much larger than al qaeda prime today which which is or was bin laden. in fact, some of the franchise groups, bill, like al qaeda in the arabian peninsula has surpassed al qaeda prime or bin laden on the physical, as well as the ideological battlefield. so, in essence, a guy like bin laden is not planning 9/11 attacks anymore. >> bill: okay. but, let's be honest about this. al qaeda, whether it's in yemen or wherever it is on the run. on the run. now we got their symbolic leader, huge psychological victory ...