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Ensuring clean energy across the country. how are we going to pull this country together? we take on the biggest challenge in history, we save the world and we do it together. welcome back. a videotaped conversation between frank jaramillo and fred shockner provided police with the proof they needed to connect fred to his wife's murder.
Yeah, you called him today. did you -- you didn't happen to ask him if he was back in the country yet, did you? >> no, i just left a voicemail. >> oh, ok. >> reporter: and does this sound like fred is having fun toying with the cops? >> hey, any other questions that you have for us at this time? >> uh, happy fishing! >> yeah, nah, we just, we actually -- >> why is it going so long? that's a good question. because the fishing isn't answering, right? >> well, like i said, you know i told you from the beginning it's a pretty simple case. >> yeah. >> but our -- >> hold on a second, the other line'...
Eventually granted some of the money, fred kept millions for himself. though how he'd manage to spend it in prison was unclear. we wrote letters to all three of them. nick harvey, frank jaramillo, and fred schockner. asking to hear from them what happened. fred wrote back and said he was convicted on "highly skeptical circumstantial evidence" and that "there should have been more than enough to prove my innocence." nick, now in his 30s, called us. he has matured in prison, he said, was mad at the world back then, but has found god now. but listen to this. though he takes full responsibility fo...
>> uh, kind of. >> okay, good. >> i don't need to talk about it. >> okay. >> how are you doing, bud? >> it has been a rotten, rotten time. all the -- there's so much sympathy and so much activity surrounding it, it's unbelievable. >> reporter: so, just as the cops had been hoping, fred and frank talked. but not a word from either one to establish they were involved in a murder. >> we had, like, 60-plus phone conversations between them. >> and you're tapping them all. >> and we're tapping 'em all. >> but they just didn't slip up. so it was time, the detectives decided, to launch the undercover ...
Maybe he wasn't. >> oh, really? then who wanted her dead? me? answer me that [ bleep ] question. who wanted her [ bleep ] dead? not me. >> reporter: the tension between the two seemed to reach a breaking point. >> if you would back off and allow us to think and talk together. >> you have to understand that's why i'm here. >> no, what you're here is trying to incite me to do things. >> oh really? >> you keep on saying this over and over. >> okay, you know what, fred? why don't you just go home? why don't you just go home? and thank you very much. and i'll tell nick the same. have a good evening...