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Of justice in this particular case that for him to do something like this, it just speaks so many volumes. >> which we don't know yet, that is still going to be looked at and investigated. i want to turn to the other shooting that we've been focused on in tulsa, oklahoma, fred, to you on this. we know we heard that bates, the man who shot the suspect, was a reserve sheriff's deputy. is he even a real cop? what was he doing in the first place, part of the undercover operation armed with a gun and it'ser? >> it raises troubling questions in my mind. the fact he's a reserve deputy, is he -- has h...

Jury never got a smooth comprehensive presentation of the evidence by the state, which they deserved and never got. however, a lot of times we don't know why the judge delays, why the judge makes the decisions she does. so i don't really know why she did that. i know it hurt the state's presentation. she's got two choices, pamela. life without parole, life with parole. she could be out in about 17, 18 years. time enough for her to be a young woman and kill another man. >> and i can guess what decision you think should be made here, nancy grace. >> you know, i think it's always up to the jury. ...

Face of cold weather. if i'm a prosecutor i'm waiting to put together enough of a case to bring additional charges because what i think what this woman did was reprehensible. >> do we know who will care for the victim going forward, fred or mel? >> child services in the city of philadelphia will take over and step in. i know there are family members who have been with this child in the hospital the entire time who want to take him and want to care for him. obviously the mother does not. >> that she made clear. >> unbelievably disturbing. mel and fred, thank you very much. >> thanks for having ...

They do a thorough investigation to make sure this was an accident and predicated upon this guy's lack of proper training. >> his training will be under scrutiny. mel, i want to ask you this, does his reserve status open the city up to more liability? >> you know, not necessarily. i mean if he was under the command and control and the direction as part of a bigger operation then he was under the direction of the state. you have to remember that cities and states give the police officers qualified immunity from liability in many starngss, and so as they look into this case and your question is ...

Let's talk about all of the legal repercussions, potential repercussions with our team of legal experts, cnn legal analyst mel robbins, criminal defense attorney midwin charles and former federal prosecutor fred t.c. mel, going to start with you. we're going to focus on the shooting there in north charleston. there were other officers there involved at the scene of that shooting. could there be charges against them, do you think? >> well, it's an excellent question. good afternoon, pamela. the answer is yeah, there could be. but the question is, what would the charges be and what people are up...