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Timing? el chapo arriving in the u.s. on the eve of the inauguration of donald trump. is it just a coincidence here? do you think there's this -- what donald trump is saying today, that there's a warming of relations with the mexican president and himself? which is it? >> i love the way people spin stuff. look, you know, the cynic in me says it's not. when i was a federal prosecutor and handled extraditions we had to deal with the united states state department. there's a very, very big political aspect about this. to think that somehow politics don't play a role in it, i think, would be naive...

>> thanks for having me. heather: fred, i'm going to start with you. they're looking at this as a possible robbery gone bad, but the victim here was 12 weeks pregnant. is how will that change, possibly, the charges or the sentence? >> well, a couple of ways. first of all, you should the circumstances here -- under the circumstances here, there's not enough to enact the indiana death sentence, but there is a statute on the book that was passed after a bank teller was shot when she was carrying twins that allows to enhance the sentence for thinker from 6-20 years that victim was pregnant. this c...

But this is a sentence enhancement because the victim was pregnant. interestingly, had this woman been sufficiently pregnant that this was a viable fetus, this defendant when charged would be eligible for the death penalty. in this instance i think because she was pregnant, i'm not sure you have to show intelligent. i'd argue that you don't. it's a sentence enhancement. if i shoot somebody driving in a car and they run into five other people and kill 'em, you don't have to show that i intended to kill them, and those are the arguments you have to make as a prosecutor. heather: and, bob, you de...

Could potentially lead it to an appeal and it gets reversed because you went into overreach. so the prosecutor's got to be tailored. really need this evidence, it's not to be very valuable and withstand appellate scrutiny. in the case that i had, the judge can did not allow that evidence to come out before the jury. >> and, bob, you're 100% right. i would not be, if i was a prosecutor, raise it at trial as long as it was under the statutory minimum. i think this is a sentencing thing. i'm with you. you know, i get it, no conviction, no appeal. but i think if you overplay your hand and you get ...

>> she was driving, and then she hear a pop. she thought it was a tire or something, and my son started crying that his back was hurt. and then, you know, she turned on the heights on the car and everything, that's when she saw a lot of blood. jon: thankfully, that little boy is now home from the hospital and is expected to be okay. heather: we have some new information on a manhunt in indiana for whoever shot and killed a pastor's pregnant wife. amanda blackburn's wife officially ruled a homicide, and her husband has been cleared as a suspect. police looking for potential connections, perhaps...